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@openyourbibles Fair point, it does depend what you'd define as big

@petercoh They'll build some muscle by skating, but without a way to increase the resistance their strength and size would plateau fairly rapidly Nowhere, because they squat heavy, it's just not possible to achieve a 2.5x bodyweight squat without spending a fair amount of time training

@petercoh Their muscle mass is to help them skate, not because they skate. The below suggests that speed skaters lift weights, no one is squatting 2.5x bodyweight without training for it https://barbend.com/olympic-speed-skaters-workout/...

@wishwish55 You can still make gains on 6 hours of sleep Will they come as quickly as if you had enough sleep? Probably not Will you make more progress than if you do nothing? Definitely Will it matter in the long run? No

@diyakhandelwal Is creatine necessary: no Can creatine be useful: yes Give the below links a read and come to your own conclusion about whether or not you want to consume extra creatine rather than listening to muppets here It's a food supplement and exists in your diet, if you eat meat...

@ncook It's not a one or the other situation, you could take extra creatine and take other supplements

@ncook It's too early for a 13 year old to eat a food supplement? Gonna need a source on that

@bellsmom Got a source there? It's perfectly fine for kids to train You could say this to literally anyone, why would it not be fine for a 13 year old to use a food supplement but fine for a 16+ year old to use a food supplement? Creatine is literally in food, do you also think kids...

@technotask Why?

@virtualapplesauce Why?

@dch Because people get weirdly scared whenever a kid does anything, they think it feels wrong in a way they can't explain and instead of figuring that maybe they should make decisions based on actual information they just say no

@aryus I mean, creatine does a bit more than just making you look "fuller". Why would OP's age have anything to do with eating a food supplement? https://www.strongerbyscience.com/creatine-effect-size/ https://www.strongerbyscience.com/creatine/

@cybernetic Has increasing volume without getting stronger led you to any gain in size? Are you happy with your progress? He also seems to be increasing the weight rather than the volume? Seeing as he's actually lifting more now than he used to? It sounds like he's training very...

@cybernetic So? Are you suggesting that it's not possible to gain size on any other program? Or that being stronger wouldn't help towards that goal? Have you gained any significant size during your years of training? Maybe you should ask him what he's doing differently? The more likely...

@cybernetic Why not increase the weight instead of the volume? Better yet, follow a program that definitely works https://thefitness.wiki/routines/strength-training-muscle-building/

@trevorodhiambo Why?

@zorah654 It's interesting but there's no mention of resistance training involved or the amount of protein consumed Correct me if I'm wrong but to me it seems that the only conclusion we can draw is that lack of sleep will negatively impact non trainees with regards to fat vs muscle loss but we...

@jinxy Surely the difference is that the leg press is a quad isolation whereas the back squat uses the whole body? It makes sense that an isolation exercise would develop the muscle more, but depending on goals it may not be a replacement as a big leg press won't necessarily translate to a big...

@frelibro Follow a program from the wiki below and eat in a caloric surplus. You can get a starting point from the tdee calculator below the wiki link, I use macrofactor to track calories and weight change https://thefitness.wiki/routines/strength-training-muscle-building/...

@dottiec Sure, it's possible to have one without the other but the presence of one doesn't necessarily negate the other