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@miles44 3 and 4 are money. I wasted so many years with exercises that I was supposed to do because they are the best. BS. They all suck for me. Once I stopped chasing numbers and started chasing the pump, I started growing.

@kebo Wait, isn't that just double progression? I've always upped weight on a set by set basis. Doesn't make sense to me to wait until you get 12 reps on all sets.

@angelk Deep Water beginner and intermediate will be the greatest change of pace, especially after nsuns. Killer programs and don't be misled by the words beginner and intermediate. It can be done at every level. Or you can switch to a pure bodybuilding routine.

@vloggle Not for me. I always hated benching with barbells. It didn't help that it hurts all my joints and it gives me zero pec development. Not to mention the safety issues.

@unity14 You're doing twice as many exercises as necessary, half as many sets as you should do and probably not training hard.

@jcreigns Exactly. Behind the neck press is great for the side delts but regular press is redundant.

@dawn16 How do you effectively train your entire upper body in one session without it going on for hours? Do you skip isolation?

@ladayer I suppose if one hack squats 6 plates like the RP guys, fatigue becomes an issue. I'm far from those numbers and fare better pushing to failure on many sets