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@werby That’s not true. 3-5 minutes is good for regular joes. It’s nowhere near fitting in the planet

@justm811 That sounds exactly right for me tbh. I can correct in one direction much better than the other. With the fingers as you said.

@justm811 I think you're right. I had a feeling that was it so I tried heel pulls at the gym today. Same result, I can pull off the wall to a HS. But once I over balance I can't recover. I'll work Heel/toe pulls for 2 weeks and then form check it

@ering STATS: Male, 5'10" GOAL: Achieve a solid, stable freestand handstand CURRENT PROGRESSION: I can kick up for a freestanding HS for a few (maybe 5) seconds. But I haven't been able to progress past that for a year now. Chest/Back to wall were fine. 60sec easy. but I struggle beyond that...

@cbsmel 175 is the overall participants. But most are excluded from the analysis. The conclusion is only drawn from the 20 who claim to have a OAC

@fromgenesistorevelation Must give them a go. Although I don't know what I'd attempt

@fromgenesistorevelation Do they make it universally easier? Or does the mobility of the cane add a different active stability requirement? ie there's a balance tolerance, and you can recover. But there's energy/effort requirement to do so

@dawn16 Can you post an example? Sone of the cirque stuff I've seen has been incredibably impressive. The chinese stuff i've seen is also amazing, but I would say it blows Cirque away