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@houstonreborn As much as it takes to fail ? There’s some days I bang 10sets of 20 reps , and days like todey I do weighted controlled pullups and I fail around 8 reps ( 4 working sets and 2 warmups . try to ) slow and controlled and a good 2 sec squeeze. Ain’t no perfect way man, be consistent...

@poorlyillustratedthoughts I was about to say a max of 12 weeks easpeasy