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@david321e Keep at it! Literally changed my life!

@sandy67 Thank you for the kind words! And Micha Shultz recommendation - just followed him. I'm glad this post started the amount of discussion it did - this should be a spot for learning and talking with other passionate people, and I think this post did that. I agree with start with the RR -...

@salovesjesus Nice, proud of you.

@codysnider Not necessarily the upper body only pushes and pulls, but PPL is a super common split for a reason. Doing compound movements like pullups and rows work the biceps and back, or the pulling muscles. I think, for beginners who may have seen a ton of "10 minute full body no equipment"...

@christianchurches Again, I don't disagree on any major points. I especially agree that the tone of this needs work. I honestly made it from getting burnt out with repeating the same information over and over again to people asking for routine critques on routines with no pulling movements, no...

@christianchurches I don't disagree with almost anything you said in specific, but I would argue that most beginners don't know what periodization is, endurance vs strength, how to adequately fatigue muscles, what progressive overload is, what different muscle groups are, etc. My argument is...

@dawn16 That's fair - I think that, when you're looking at specializations, there's times and places for everything, and it's good to have discussions. This post was more for beginners with general goals - making the strength training case. But yes - good discussion and points.

@dawn16 He does make a good case for doing a lot of pushups - I really like the bioneer, he's well researched and knows his stuff. I do think he falls into the mover trap of "you should do a lot of every type of training", not accounting that most people have non-fitness based lives. But...

@dawn16 I agree. This is a tone deaf post in retrospect - I explained it more in a comment earlier, but it was born out of a frustration with the volume of homebrew routines on this sub, where I consistently am pointing people to the primer and RR. Unfortunately, that burnt-out mindset didn't...

@spyrogirl1 That comes from my personal experience of not liking working out for 3 months, then on the fourth month actually starting to like it. The rest of the results part comes from the wiki...

@steve337 Fair enough. I def wrote this from a place of frustration with repeating the same information on this sub to people who are completely new to working out, which kneecapped the tone and ultimately hindered the message. Sounds like you have a good routine that really works for you...

@davidcave1 Got people talking for sure. I didn't intend it to be as inflammatory as it was, but I'm glad that there's discussion getting taken out of it.

@rowanda Lots of great advice in here - I think that building routines is kinda the linchpin, and you have some really good ideas on how/why to do that.

@kerrylog I agree on all counts - that deadlifts post is super cool. I think a lot of the street workouts people with daily chins/dips/etc. are advanced lifters that really know their way around their body (so was deadlift guy - he was doing like 2x my max daily). I think it's a doable program...

@dawn16 I really like that - I'm stealing this

@jestebanzgarcia The "work out for 4-6 months and eat celery only bod"

@cici1234 See point 12 about the tyler durden look. You just need to work out ~3 times a week at 85% consistency on a good, progressive overload focused, strength based program (like the RR in this subs wiki or an r/Fitness wiki program), for ~6 months.

@rowanda Absolutely agree - this post was made for the vast majority of people that post in this sub - they have a primary goal of looking, feeling, and being stronger, and I wanted to make the case that strength training >>>> follow along HITT youtube videos and circuit training. But yes. If...

@margoelise Damn, that's an eye opening perspective and I wish you all the best. Seeing as you've been able to come back to it many times - I think that speaks a lot to your strength as a person. Funnily enough, I'm putting the cart before the horse - I'm only just new (last ~2 months)...

@margoelise You know what, that's fair. Consistency is king - and any movement >>>>>>> no movement. Rule 0 - if you're not gonna do the routine your on, it's not a good routine (no matter how good it is). If you are gonna do it, it's good. (unless you're deadlifting on a bosu ball :P). From my...