@breezer Buy the raw ingredients and combine them urself. That’s what I do. Caffeine pills, L-tyrosine, L citruline, anything u want in bulk on Amazon.
@kennycool I was looking big in a shirt within a year of bodybuilding late 10th grade. of course I had sports background and a bit higher bodyfat % but what I’m trying too get at here is I believe the middle ground too look big in a shirt is around 2-3 years instead of 5+.