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@piescko I am talking about recreational bodybuilding. And yes, having seen the lackluster results of many coaches who are also successful bodybuilders, I am certain that a regular bro is a much better source of information.

@lovely_krystal86 PED users will never be a good source of information for a natural. Maybe those who were at a high level naturally prior (which Mike wasn't) for a bit but after a few years the juice will blur it and they will start giving so-so advice.

@patdude832 I would separate it so on days you already train vertical presses and rear delts, you don't also do lateral raises as it already has a lot of overlap. However, if you can handle it, go for it. Best of luck!

@piescko Mike's following is mostly novices. Wouldn't that make GVS's critique even more on point? They lack the ability to to put Mike's advice into use.

@piescko I agree about judging in a competition but GVS is still a good source for just putting on mass

@laura02375 Even if his exercise selection advice was 100 percent spot on, he lacks practical expertise in other areas of programming. As I said before - he is unbalanced. Large legs and back but lackluster "show" muscles. His frame is great which helps him a bit but his overall musculature in...

@laura02375 You asked me how I would look next to him: I would look shorter and fuller than him. If you think so, by all means follow his advice. But I would be rather upset if I switched bodies with him

@laura02375 Shorter and fuller: https://preview.redd.it/h2gag0y08ipc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65ff1b606a88581ecb01dffca1da4c89be4b6a34

@laura02375 He is very disproportionate. Very thick legs and lackluster upper body, barring his lats and upper traps.

@laura02375 I do dislike how much authority Milo believes to have whenever discussing programming... when he looks the way he does

@oregongirl1 And looks awful

@vinod367 Thank yourself

@vinod367 The ego thing is not applying to you here. Those are pristine pull ups

@ray0174 Yeah, they all suck

@musingsinscripture If you have a very responsive upper back, sure. If you are like most regular folks, not

@tan37 He seems to actually lag behind nowadays. I remember when his body was miles ahead of Alex Leonidas' but nowadays Alex has him beat.

@ray0174 He got worse overtime

@sbrodhagen If you count your back as a single muscle group, you can train a different part of it almost every day. Your shoulders can take a lot of punishment too before complaining.

@irish007 If you are gifted in that area, sure. It doesn't for me

@irish007 Then I wouldn't worry about the rest of your weighted ab exercises