@lovely_krystal86 10-20% drop per set normally on compound movements.
Checking sets I did yesterday on incline bench were 12, 11, 10, 8
Checking sets I did yesterday on incline bench were 12, 11, 10, 8
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Whats your normal rep drop off between sets? Does it change for each exercise? Interested to hear if this varies for different people
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@lovely_krystal86 Usually drop 1 on second set and then by third and fourth set I’ve lost 2-3
@lovely_krystal86 If you are actually training at/close to failure like most people say they are(and a lot aren't), you should have the biggest drop off after the first set, then a smaller dip on subsequent sets. If you are only losing 1 rep after a first set to failure or 1 RIR, I'm sorry you aren't training to failure. This is assuming you are using the same loads.
The magnitude of the drop off is going to depend on rest times, rep range, ROM, the strength curve of the exercise, your acclimation to training at/near failure, etc.
The magnitude of the drop off is going to depend on rest times, rep range, ROM, the strength curve of the exercise, your acclimation to training at/near failure, etc.
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emet_ziton
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@lovely_krystal86 Often 2, but often 1 as well. Can be more than the former if I’m in a higher rep range/using intensity techniques, usually isn’t if I’m in a lower rep range/using straight sets or the like
Really just depends
My drops are typically consistent regardless of RIR (I usually lose 1 rep between bench pressing sets, for example, and this is regardless of whether I’m at 3, 2, 1, or 0)
Edit: you also want to keep in mind that your rep drop offs can be affected by all manner of different things, e.g. glycogen levels
Really just depends
My drops are typically consistent regardless of RIR (I usually lose 1 rep between bench pressing sets, for example, and this is regardless of whether I’m at 3, 2, 1, or 0)
Edit: you also want to keep in mind that your rep drop offs can be affected by all manner of different things, e.g. glycogen levels
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@lovely_krystal86 Depends how close to failure, if you barely got that 10th rep then you may lose a few on the next. This is why I usually keep the weight the same the following weeks so maybe you get 10-6-5 but the following week that same set of 10 is slightly easier and you get more reps on the next 2 sets. What I usually do is not grind the first set like that so week 1 would look more like 8-8-7 which is overall 2 more reps than if I went too hard the first set.
frustratedhusband
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@needheaven This highlights a problem. Is more volume load with a lower rpe better than a lower volume load with higher rpe? Is a flat progression better than dynamic progression (where you lower loads to keep reps while going closer to failure)
@lovely_krystal86 Most exercises maybe 1 or 2 between sets. Sometimes like when I do squats then deadlifts I feel like my body just gives up. Other day on deads it read like 12 8 then 4. But I had already done squats and it may have been more mental than physical exhaustion.
@lovely_krystal86 It can vary a lot by exercises. Some movements I lose 1-2 reps but most I'll lose 3-4 for set 2 if I've hit a PR on set 1. If my rep stays the same on set 1 then usually this drop off will reduce to 1-2 on set 2 and that's just progression.
I think if you are only losing 1 rep each set across the board then you may not be as close to failure as you think or you may be using unstable movements that prevent you getting that close.
I think if you are only losing 1 rep each set across the board then you may not be as close to failure as you think or you may be using unstable movements that prevent you getting that close.
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@lovely_krystal86 thats all about how intense you do at first. if you go all out at first set there is chance u can't do evne a rep in second one
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Unless your first set was in the 1-3 rep range i highly doubt that will be the case
u can't do evne a rep in second one
Unless your first set was in the 1-3 rep range i highly doubt that will be the case
@lovely_krystal86 I usually train within the 5-7 rep range, to failure, and almost like clock work I seem to drop about 2 reps every set. That’s if I’m using the same weight. So if I did 7 reps with X amount of weight on my first set, I’ll likely get 5 reps on the next set. It does differ sometimes and I’ll get more or less reps than I expect, more so if I’m tired and fatigued. Sometimes later on in a workout, towards the end I mightn’t perform as well and my rep drop off might be greater.
I’ll usually work around my rep range so if I got 5 or 6 reps on one set, it’s likely I’d only get 3 or 4 reps on my next set, respectively. Therefore, I’ll drop the weight a little so I can still land somewhere within that 5-7 range. If I hit 7 reps I’ll usually just stick with said weight and aim for 5. If I hit 8, I’ll add weight. Occasionally there’ll be a drop off if I add weight on my second or third set, as in I’ll not necessary hit those 5 reps but that’s largely down to fatigue. I can often try that new weight again next session and hit 5 reps or even progress to 6 sometimes. Hopefully this makes sense.
I’ll usually work around my rep range so if I got 5 or 6 reps on one set, it’s likely I’d only get 3 or 4 reps on my next set, respectively. Therefore, I’ll drop the weight a little so I can still land somewhere within that 5-7 range. If I hit 7 reps I’ll usually just stick with said weight and aim for 5. If I hit 8, I’ll add weight. Occasionally there’ll be a drop off if I add weight on my second or third set, as in I’ll not necessary hit those 5 reps but that’s largely down to fatigue. I can often try that new weight again next session and hit 5 reps or even progress to 6 sometimes. Hopefully this makes sense.
@theodor98 With lateral raises it sort of depends. I’ll aim for 5 reps minimum when I’m starting out with a weight but I won’t strictly stick to the usual 5-7 rep range since chances are when I hit 8 reps with my current weight then go up to the next set of dumbbells they’re still too heavy so I’ll just keep trying to add reps or crank out partials at the end of my set until I can barely lift my arms anymore. Once I progress a decent amount with that weight I’ll attempt the next set of dumbbells. I’m only on the 16kg dumbbells so it’s not like I’m particular strong or have boulder shoulders but seems to work for me. Same concept goes with cable or machine lateral raises. Just add reps until I can manage the next weight.
As for other isolation movements, biceps, triceps etc I’ll still use 5-7 reps. Loads of people are under the impression that ‘smaller’ muscle groups apparently respond better to more reps and less weight but enough research will tell you that’s not true. As long as you use a full range of motion, good form and control the weight you’ll be fine. I make some exception with abs and calves. Abs I just cannot feel (even though ‘feeling’ the muscle isn’t necessarily the most important factor) if I’m using too much weight and my form breaks down if I’m trying to do cable crunches with a full stack so I’ll go for like 8-10 reps instead. Same with calves, I find my form turns trash if I go too heavy on calf raises so I’ll use a more moderate weight and go really slow on the eccentric.
I could go on and on about why I prefer 5-7 reps but in a nutshell it’s the same stimulus as doing more reps, just less overall fatigue and fewer junk reps. So if I do 5 reps that’s likely 5 quality reps as opposed to 10 reps, where only the last 5 or so are actually doing anything and the first 5 aren’t doing too much. People will no doubt disagree with me, but again there’s a lot of research out there to support this.
As for other isolation movements, biceps, triceps etc I’ll still use 5-7 reps. Loads of people are under the impression that ‘smaller’ muscle groups apparently respond better to more reps and less weight but enough research will tell you that’s not true. As long as you use a full range of motion, good form and control the weight you’ll be fine. I make some exception with abs and calves. Abs I just cannot feel (even though ‘feeling’ the muscle isn’t necessarily the most important factor) if I’m using too much weight and my form breaks down if I’m trying to do cable crunches with a full stack so I’ll go for like 8-10 reps instead. Same with calves, I find my form turns trash if I go too heavy on calf raises so I’ll use a more moderate weight and go really slow on the eccentric.
I could go on and on about why I prefer 5-7 reps but in a nutshell it’s the same stimulus as doing more reps, just less overall fatigue and fewer junk reps. So if I do 5 reps that’s likely 5 quality reps as opposed to 10 reps, where only the last 5 or so are actually doing anything and the first 5 aren’t doing too much. People will no doubt disagree with me, but again there’s a lot of research out there to support this.
lilethmagdelene
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@lovely_krystal86 If the drop is too big I either
1) Went too hard on my earlier sets
2) The weight is way too heavy
I like the drop off to be 1-2 at the very most. 2 is already stretching it for me.
1) Went too hard on my earlier sets
2) The weight is way too heavy
I like the drop off to be 1-2 at the very most. 2 is already stretching it for me.
randomjo97
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@lovely_krystal86 Truly depends of how close to failure I take the set, what the exercise is, how long the rest period is and what's my goal.
If my rep range is 8-12 and it's my first time using that weight, first set is to 8 reps, last is as many as I can do, 2nd is somewhere between 8-12 depending on how easy the first set was. If I still can do 12 or more reps on the last set, next time I do the exercise I add more reps to second set and I keep using the same weights until I can do at least 10 reps with the same weight.
If my rep range is 8-12 and it's my first time using that weight, first set is to 8 reps, last is as many as I can do, 2nd is somewhere between 8-12 depending on how easy the first set was. If I still can do 12 or more reps on the last set, next time I do the exercise I add more reps to second set and I keep using the same weights until I can do at least 10 reps with the same weight.
@lovely_krystal86 For simplicity lets say all sets are 1 RiR.
I find with almost all exercises, the first 2 sets I'm able to do the same # of reps. Then on the 3rd set i'll usually get one or two fewer reps. Then the 4th set 3-4 fewer, etc.
Thats why I find 3 sets is the sweet spot. Just start getting diminishing returns and then move on
I find with almost all exercises, the first 2 sets I'm able to do the same # of reps. Then on the 3rd set i'll usually get one or two fewer reps. Then the 4th set 3-4 fewer, etc.
Thats why I find 3 sets is the sweet spot. Just start getting diminishing returns and then move on
@lovely_krystal86 As long as that last rep is a real struggle that's what matters the most. I go to failure alot and hold that weight in an isometric if I k ow I'm not getting it back up.
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@lovely_krystal86 I do 2-3 sets and I stay 8-12(sometimes 15) reps.
So my reps increase with my sets because I drop the weight.
If I hit 8 reps on set one I’ll drop the weight 10% or so.
Might hit 8 or 9 reps second set. Then I drop another 10-15% and do a third set, to stay in my rep range.
Staying at the same weight for all sets doesn’t make sense to me.
So my reps increase with my sets because I drop the weight.
If I hit 8 reps on set one I’ll drop the weight 10% or so.
Might hit 8 or 9 reps second set. Then I drop another 10-15% and do a third set, to stay in my rep range.
Staying at the same weight for all sets doesn’t make sense to me.
@lovely_krystal86 I personally track every rep and set every week. If a set with a specific weight is a solid 15 reps, but I feel like I had 1-2 more in the tank, I usually up the weight for that set 2.5-5lbs , and so on. I typically aim for 10-15 , where 15 is almost impossible
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