Is Kattlebell Swing a Resistance training or a Cardio?

[sezzalovesmj]

I want to try new cardio variation.

But After I watched some videos. It make me confused. Is kattlebell swing really Cardio or not?

If it is actually a cardio then. How much weight should I use as a beginner?

I search it and find it is recommended to use 12 kilogrammes for male as a beginner.

But I still don't trust it. So I have to ask you guy here for confirmation.

To give more information about my cardio endurance so you guy can give me more precise advice:
I can run 4.5 km at zone2 without any resting and it usually take about 30-35 minutes to finish.

 

[antponetteoaks]

@sezzalovesmj It's not that great at aerobic training, although "viking warrior conditioning" makes a good run at it. They are great for HIIT type anaerobic conditioning though.

 

[kris8585]

@sezzalovesmj Here's 1000 unbroken swings with 24kg: Cardio?

@ant0099 - Link us your heaviest swing for a comparison?

 

[ant0099]

@kris8585 LOL. You can hold this one. I've done 49kg x 100 unbroken before and that's the most ill ever do in my life

 

[kris8585]

@ant0099 Single rep of 150 or so?

 

[ant0099]

@kris8585 160 if you consider wobbles Swings hahah

 

[kris8585]

@ant0099 Haha, right around my 1rm - crazy man!

 

[ant0099]

@sezzalovesmj You're right to be a bit distrustful. Kettlebell training can lead to aerobic capacity gains but not as effectively as just doing monostrutural work (running, rowing, skiing, swimming, etc.)

They're good for circuit training & crossfit type workouts though.

 

[wakemantk]

@ant0099 I disagree entirely. I can dominate runners when running and a few months ago I imported an Ironman competitor's time into my concept 2 rower and beat that. I primarily do burpees, swings, snatches, and sprints for cardio not cou ring hiking and rucking. The way you see most people train kbs is not the only way you can do it.

EDIT: and just one example of many things you can do to target aerobic capacity more than anaerobic capacity is to do sets of 25 burpees and 25 swings, or 50 each with jump rope in between. The KB is a tremendous tool to add to cardio conditioning. You just have to think about them differently

 

[ant0099]

@wakemantk What does dominate runners when running mean? When I was doing mostly Crossfit I was running an 18 minute 5k and almost puked after, but dedicated teenage runners can run that for an easy warm-up. Same with my current 7:14 Ski 2k. People that live on it can trash me.

That's what I'm saying. They lead to aerobic capacity gains, but not as efficiently as other modalities. If this was the case, we'd see more capacity focused athletes using the bells.

I also did mention they're good for crossfit type workouts & circuits. I don't really think there's a disagreement here.

 

[wakemantk]

@ant0099 Well let's find out, shall we? You like to post videos. How about I upload a full conditioning work out and post yourself trying to match it? It will involve Burpees and that floppy starfish burpee shit you recently posted won't make the cut. Real good form. Hundreds and hundreds of them. If you think a 10-1 ladder in 5 mins is difficult you might be in for a bad time because we will be going to the depths of hell.

 

[yochanagrace]

@wakemantk Go on, post anything at all, I’ll beat you with equal or better form

 

[choseninhim]

@yochanagrace Goddamnit, I'm out of popcorn but I'll have some by the weekend.

 

[yochanagrace]

@choseninhim I'm betting that "people who spend their lives whinging about other people's form turn out not to be very fit"

 

[choseninhim]

@yochanagrace I suspect you're right most of the time, but there are some folks who are just sticklers for precision. It's like part of who they 'are'.

If the videos happen, it'll be interesting. At 76 I don't have a dog in that fight. Any day I wake up's a good day.

Cheers mate.

 

[wakemantk]

@yochanagrace You bet wrong in this case.

 

[wakemantk]

@yochanagrace Sounds good to me!

I propose we do just a simple burpee and swing combo. 500 of each with a 28kg bell. Any time I do 200 reps or above with burpees I prefer to use the military 6 count style like I am doing here:

But if you want we can do the jump also. Your call

EDIT: For clarification, the reason I typically don't jump more than 200 reps is because in the past it seems to have aggravated my left patellar tendon

 

[yochanagrace]

@wakemantk Oh, hon, if you thought volume was the way to beat me you didnt do your research.

Sure, I’ve got a 28 here. I don’t mind which version of the burpee we do, post your video and I’ll base my reps off whatever you choose.

How’re we scoring this? For time, with r/kettlebell to decide if one person’s form is notably better or worse than the others?

 

[wakemantk]

@yochanagrace Any way you want. Time, total reps, whatever. 500 burpees is a regular thing for me so I can push past that. I am thinking sets of 100 or 50. I will let you pick. Or 500 straight burpees which I actually haven't done in a while. Break up the swings in sets of 50 or 100?

EDIT: Why don't we live stream it at the same time? That would be fun, actually

 

[yochanagrace]

@wakemantk I feel like a livestream is probably going to fail over the course of however long a workout like this takes. Not sure how "total reps" would work when that's set as part of the workout; let's just do 500/500 for time, partitioned as you like.

Also, it's hilarious that this whole conversation started with you giving @ant0099 shit for his burpees, when you don't even jump in your burpees. But like I said, I'll use whatever form you're comfortable with.