@rogue06 2g per lb is about the max, even with enhanced, before there is a large drop off, and even some deleterious effects start showing. Israetel is a clown and should not be the barometer for anything in the natural bodybuilding world.
@mcolley10 I'm new to this whole culture... what's wrong with Dr. Mike? He seems to pretty carefully delineate differences between natural and enhanced when he outlines expectations, so I'm curious to know what it looks like when he's fudging the numbers