Anyone else a fan of Layne Norton?

ruin225018

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Very insightful interviews all scattered over Spotify. The best I think are with Peter Attia, he just recorded his third or fourth one with him recently!


He’s a scientist at heart, so that means you get research backed content without any sugar coating. He’s one of the few fitness personalities that I actually enjoy listening to even if he can be a little brash sometimes.

Him chewing out liver king is something I’ll never get over haha. His material can get a bit dense given his mol bio background (science majors represent!), however he is not one to get lost in the implications of a mechanism - he’s actually quite the opposite: he is skeptical about any claims that come out of mice or in vitro research especially without randomized clinical study research
 
@ruin225018 Do I like his breakdown of scientific concepts…yes.

Do I like him calling out some of the idiots in the fitness world…yes.

Do I think he is somewhat biased when explaining the research he finds… yes.

Do I think he’s rude and condescending…yes.
 
@kagenonikki I would say putting out misinformation is more rude than the criticism. I mean this sub alone you see so much bullshit from people who don’t know how to properly interpret and synthesize research

For example, just because in a Petri dish a certain substance may inhibit a protein does not mean you can extrapolate the effect to humans without randomized controlled clinical trials. And too often people here push bogus supplements after hearing about some study cited by a guru
 
@ruin225018 His content is pretty drama-fuelled as he does a lot of call outs, this is why I say sensationalist - relative to other evidence based practitioners like 3DMJ.

Now that I think about it, Layne was pretty bad with the whole “metabolic damage” thing which I don’t recall him correcting.
 
@ruin225018 Damn, you just made me realise that time has flown by...

No, it wasn't recent - about 5 years ago now. Layne was basically promoting the concept of metabolic damage based on "X amount of anecdotes" from his clients, despite the lack of scientific evidence for it. Most of the evidence based community (rightly) seemed to disagree with it, but it was Lyle McDonald in particular who went hard at him for it.
 
@durantis Hm that really seems not like him, maybe he’s grown in the past few years I guess because he rarely ever makes claims without multiple supporting pieces nowadays
 
@durantis Of course, and he goes into that. It’s why he’s skeptical even with a single or two studies “confirming” a topic because of random occurrences
 
@ruin225018 Would you mind giving an example of this? From memory, all of the evidence-based practitioners who I follow are pretty quick to point out limited studies and the 'early days' of a potential finding.
 
@durantis He says numerous times in his posts and podcast interviews that the only thing he’ll really trust at first glance are meta analyses and even then he’s still skeptical based on the methods

For example, a few months ago he dissected a popular research paper suggesting non nutritive sweeteners were damaging to gut health, he was able to demonstrate that the conclusions people were drawing were way overblown and the research was actually not suggesting what Twitter gurus were saying
 
@durantis Credentials? He received his PhD by writing and defending his research and thesis on how beneficial bcaa's are....and now he says they're mostly useless. Does he deserve to keep a PhD then? These guys are all in it for the money on selling coaching, supplements, youtube subscribers, diet plans, etc...
 
@fola Believe it or not, BCAA supplementation was thought of as useful not too long ago. In light of revised evidence, Layne (and virtually everyone else) has since changed and solidified their stance on this.

Now what would've been disappointing would be if Layne was still hyping BCAAs, biasing his research in light of what we now know. Wouldn't you agree?
 
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