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@jobob_0 I feel that at this point, training camps are becoming more of propaganda for their business. Look at Brent Fikowski, for instance; he trains alone every day, all day. Sometimes, he goes to a facility where there are some high-caliber athletes, and that's it.
I do still think it’s interesting because we tend to see more of the trainers' coaching side of things through their YouTube videos. But for me, it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s either you have it, or you don’t.
She has it, but like the comment said above, it’s all between the ears. Mental toughness is a make-or-break factor in this sport."
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I do still think it’s interesting because we tend to see more of the trainers' coaching side of things through their YouTube videos. But for me, it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s either you have it, or you don’t.
She has it, but like the comment said above, it’s all between the ears. Mental toughness is a make-or-break factor in this sport."
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cecilia102
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thunderstruck
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@jr4575 At this point?
Camps exist to fleece the muppets with generic programs and a hashtag from a fast exerciser like Mat or Rich or whoever.
Your gym colleagues will be so impressed when you say you’re doing Mayhem SuperGains 3000. They won’t even notice your 155 snatch because you’re doing mayhem SuperGains 3000. Get started today. If Jesus had a trainer, it would be Rich Froning. Sign up now!”
It’s all so silly. Fikowski trains alone. So does Adler. Emily Rolfe trains in a parking spot and at 33 years old is still killin it. Arielle loewen? Garage
It’s not just Mayhem. If hwpo spent as much time on developing athletes as they do on social media production, maybe they wouldn’t have looked so stupid at the games. Hopper dropped 25 places. That’s hard to do. But they did it.
Camps exist to fleece the muppets with generic programs and a hashtag from a fast exerciser like Mat or Rich or whoever.
Your gym colleagues will be so impressed when you say you’re doing Mayhem SuperGains 3000. They won’t even notice your 155 snatch because you’re doing mayhem SuperGains 3000. Get started today. If Jesus had a trainer, it would be Rich Froning. Sign up now!”
It’s all so silly. Fikowski trains alone. So does Adler. Emily Rolfe trains in a parking spot and at 33 years old is still killin it. Arielle loewen? Garage
It’s not just Mayhem. If hwpo spent as much time on developing athletes as they do on social media production, maybe they wouldn’t have looked so stupid at the games. Hopper dropped 25 places. That’s hard to do. But they did it.
vorianatredies
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@thunderstruck Agree. I coach and we’ve changed programming like 3 times in the past 6 months. , Comp, Deka and now Mayhem because members will complain that they want this training and that training because they see clips on YouTube or IG. Meanwhile my GF and I, who is also a coach do Cal Strength for lifting and a mix of JB and our own stuff for workouts and have been for years and members are constantly asking who we use and how they can get it etc. our response is just pick something and stick with it. You need consistency not to change very 3 months
thunderstruck
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@vorianatredies I’m now taking subscribers to the Toilet Fish program
- Day 1 squat, row
- Day 2 pull-ups, row
- Day 3 push-ups and dips, row
- Day 4 rest
@thunderstruck I'm sold on the name alone.
@thunderstruck The thing is, the top-tier athletes aren’t doing their competitive track programming and if they are that’s a huge red flag because you’d assume they’re doing somewhat individualized programming.
I don’t necessarily think the video production or marketing should have a large effect on athlete performance since it’s not as if Hopper is making and editing his own vlogs but the point stands.
At the end of the day, the camps are a marketing tool and potentially a way for the athletes to be compensated by the camp from the funds their marketing brings in instead of working at Starbucks or holding another coaching job etc.
I don’t necessarily think the video production or marketing should have a large effect on athlete performance since it’s not as if Hopper is making and editing his own vlogs but the point stands.
At the end of the day, the camps are a marketing tool and potentially a way for the athletes to be compensated by the camp from the funds their marketing brings in instead of working at Starbucks or holding another coaching job etc.
@jr4575 Brent Fikowski has a coach, David Spurr of ONLY Training (I don't know it that counts as a training camp, but probably not.) David helped with with his daily trainig, even going with him when he went to Training Think Tank a few months ago. Brent is not quite the lone wolf who trains alone, he has other people who help him . He has also talked about the various other people who coached him in specific things, as well as CrossFit coaches like Nick Fowler.
@giftsigns No thats not a training camp because you physically train alone mostly like Pat Velner too. Coaches are obviously part of process but you’re not on a generic template
@asc2011 Coaches are not necessary for those training alone. Mat Fraser trained for a long time alone, even though he was technically with CompTrain, Ben wasn't really his coach. Pat Vellner is part of the Deka Comp training camp, Michelle Letendre is definitely his coach. Brent Fikowski's is part of a training program.
Sam Kwant is part of HWPO, but trains by himself with Harry Palley his remote coach, so what do you put him down as? Is he or isn't he part of a training camp?
Sam Kwant is part of HWPO, but trains by himself with Harry Palley his remote coach, so what do you put him down as? Is he or isn't he part of a training camp?
chapelmusicworship
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@giftsigns Even when he trained on his own, between CompTrain and partnering with Tia/Shane, he would enlist individual coaches to help him refine specific skills, IE endurance, sprinting, strength.
@chapelmusicworship I get that, we are talking about CrossFit coaches here. I remember Arielle Loewen said in a couple of podcasts that she programmed for herself this year. They may get specialized coaching for specific things (and probably only for a short period of time, Mat Fraser likely only spent a few weeks with his coach on running), but for CrossFit, many can do it themselves if they have a clear idea of their own weaknesses and how to fix them.
@jobob_0 These “top” coaching brands must being paying athletes at this point like a sports team and you sign / buy players and put them on contracts etc with the amount of money a platform such as prvn and hwpo has sponsorships I wonder what the actual back end deals look like?
Brooke probably got a good financial offer from hwpo and jumped ships
Brooke probably got a good financial offer from hwpo and jumped ships
@leebarnes Exactly, people need to stop looking at this like what kinds of drama went down, it’s just business for the most part and pure economics. Personally I’ve always enjoyed Brooke and hope she does well in the future with whatever coach she has.
I also believe that coaching is mainly mental at this level. So finding the right “mentor” is key
I also believe that coaching is mainly mental at this level. So finding the right “mentor” is key
matrichuploader
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@matrichuploader I’d believe that, they are a more grass roots authentic vibe. Good work they are doing