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@smithbell81 Whoooo careeessss
Andrew Hiller Open Ban?
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@smithbell81 Honestly I zoned out this attention seeking whore and his exhausting, repetitive, ADHD content ages ago. He seems to be struggling to maintain some form of platform/profile so I guess this sort of thing is to be expected?
If he had a good point to make it has been lost in the noise and fury of inexplicable soundbites from movies. I guess if you like that sort of thing you like that sort of thing. I don't.
If he had a good point to make it has been lost in the noise and fury of inexplicable soundbites from movies. I guess if you like that sort of thing you like that sort of thing. I don't.
@smithbell81 If wada did testing of the CrossFit games most of them would pop.
@smithbell81 Who cares? Chances are he wasn't going to semi's, and definitely not the Games.
And admitting to using should get you banned. Period.
If you use, you shouldn't participate in an event that prohibits it.
If you admit to using and you don't, you should still get banned, clean test or not. You're an idiot for admitting it.
This entire thing is just dumb.
And admitting to using should get you banned. Period.
If you use, you shouldn't participate in an event that prohibits it.
If you admit to using and you don't, you should still get banned, clean test or not. You're an idiot for admitting it.
This entire thing is just dumb.
unforgiven1
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@smithbell81 What are you confused about?
@smithbell81 Good. Get him out of here. That dude provides nothing of value and comes off like a salty failed athlete who couldn’t hack it. 
sahadul123
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@smithbell81 It’s actually amazing how no one ever in CF has been popped for EPO. Cleanest sport in the world!
chapelmusicworship
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@sahadul123 That’s the frustrating thing to me in the PED conversation….everyone immediately thinks steroids. Sure, some of the real meatheads are getting jacked on hormones but the real performance gains are in blood doping. Cycling has figured out how to artificially saturate blood with oxygen for decades. You’re not going to detect that in a urine test and to the best of my knowledge CF isn’t even looking at blood.
@chapelmusicworship There was money in cycling
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@kennybest I’ve seen people cheat like hell at kids go-kart racing and all that pays is a plastic trophy. Competitive people will always seek an edge.
@smithbell81 Man's never tested positive
@kennybest Nope. And he won’t if they do.
@smithbell81 This has come down to: Downvote if you like Hiller, upvote if you dislike Hiller.
@smithbell81 Okay, so for anyone willing to have an actual discussion.
Banning without a positive test is ridiculous. There is no proof (Hiller could be saying he’s using for clout). While CrossFit is free to do whatever they want since they are simply a company holding a competition and beholden to no one, this also lacks due process. Anyone can now theoretically be banned for joking about steroid use (verbal admission), or even fraudulently accused of verbal admission.
Whether it’s CFHQ, WADA, or anyone else, I think if someone is taunting the system you still have to produce their positive test.
Also Dave simply says Hiller is banned. Is it indefinitely? Or 4 years like most other first time offenders?
To me this is another lack of transparency issue.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I think the athletes association should be stepping up here (not necessarily just for Hiller’s benefit, but to prevent any future innocent athletes from being jerked around in this very grey area).
Banning without a positive test is ridiculous. There is no proof (Hiller could be saying he’s using for clout). While CrossFit is free to do whatever they want since they are simply a company holding a competition and beholden to no one, this also lacks due process. Anyone can now theoretically be banned for joking about steroid use (verbal admission), or even fraudulently accused of verbal admission.
Whether it’s CFHQ, WADA, or anyone else, I think if someone is taunting the system you still have to produce their positive test.
Also Dave simply says Hiller is banned. Is it indefinitely? Or 4 years like most other first time offenders?
To me this is another lack of transparency issue.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I think the athletes association should be stepping up here (not necessarily just for Hiller’s benefit, but to prevent any future innocent athletes from being jerked around in this very grey area).
@sadkitty Saying something isn't proof of it.
He could be telling the truth and actually be using. He could have been lying this entire time. It doesn't matter that he's most likely telling the truth. He's been banned on his word.
If someone makes a deepfake of Mat Fraser admitting to PED use, can be be retroactively stripped of his titles on it alone? Currently it appears so.
This isn't about Hiller, it's about the precedent it's setting for every other athlete.
He could be telling the truth and actually be using. He could have been lying this entire time. It doesn't matter that he's most likely telling the truth. He's been banned on his word.
If someone makes a deepfake of Mat Fraser admitting to PED use, can be be retroactively stripped of his titles on it alone? Currently it appears so.
This isn't about Hiller, it's about the precedent it's setting for every other athlete.