@christopherv So here's the perspective of a not-vegan:
I used to be vegan, and coincidentally I was in the best shape of my life back then. I had absolutely no problem getting the amount of protein I felt best on, which was only 100+ grams. I made great gains on that and recovered fine. Which was neat because I was in college and rice and beans were what I could afford lol. That's the thing - you can show me all the scientific studies you want about how much protein I need or how one particular style of eating is "optimal" for my goals but you can't argue me out of how I feel. Even if it's a placebo effect. I mean I wish you could, because I would love for a lower protein diet to make me feel less hungry than it does. The reason I had no problem getting tons of protein was because this was back in college and I played 3 sports in addition to lifting. I had trouble getting enough food period, so protein absolutely wasn't an issue.
But now it's several years later and aside from long distance backpacking I've fallen into the "sports guy graduates uni and gets fat" meme. My diet is ~1200-1500 kcal/day (basically same stats as OP but a man) and I've found a high protein diet helps me not be hungry.
I prefer eating plant-based for the environment. After I diet down and can go back to eating a more normal 2000-2500 kcals/day I will go back to mostly plant based. But to be mostly plant based right now would require eating like tons of DIY soylent made from soy protein isolate and PB2 and I don't love the environment enough to do that for months. I already do that when hiking because it's light and you don't need to cook it lol.
So if y'all could be understanding and maybe help me out that would be cool. I wish keto-style didn't work so well for me but it does.
I used to be vegan, and coincidentally I was in the best shape of my life back then. I had absolutely no problem getting the amount of protein I felt best on, which was only 100+ grams. I made great gains on that and recovered fine. Which was neat because I was in college and rice and beans were what I could afford lol. That's the thing - you can show me all the scientific studies you want about how much protein I need or how one particular style of eating is "optimal" for my goals but you can't argue me out of how I feel. Even if it's a placebo effect. I mean I wish you could, because I would love for a lower protein diet to make me feel less hungry than it does. The reason I had no problem getting tons of protein was because this was back in college and I played 3 sports in addition to lifting. I had trouble getting enough food period, so protein absolutely wasn't an issue.
But now it's several years later and aside from long distance backpacking I've fallen into the "sports guy graduates uni and gets fat" meme. My diet is ~1200-1500 kcal/day (basically same stats as OP but a man) and I've found a high protein diet helps me not be hungry.
I prefer eating plant-based for the environment. After I diet down and can go back to eating a more normal 2000-2500 kcals/day I will go back to mostly plant based. But to be mostly plant based right now would require eating like tons of DIY soylent made from soy protein isolate and PB2 and I don't love the environment enough to do that for months. I already do that when hiking because it's light and you don't need to cook it lol.
So if y'all could be understanding and maybe help me out that would be cool. I wish keto-style didn't work so well for me but it does.